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	<title>Comments on: Newsweek advances Andrew Keen&#8217;s ignorance</title>
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		<title>by: Mike Caulfield</title>
		<link>http://www.thepomoblog.com/archive/newsweek-advances-andrew-keens-ignorance/#comment-174307</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 16:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great post. I didn't read the Newsweek article, but I have noticed the recent explosion of "return of the expert" stories around, coinciding with Keen's promotional work. 

You might be interested in my deconstruction of another recent Keen-inspired piece -- the Hesse WaPo article from last week:

&lt;a href="http://mikecaulfield.com/2008/05/07/if-the-wapo-calls-a-tail-a-leg/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://mikecaulfield.com/2008/05/07/if-the-wapo-calls-a-tail-a-leg/&lt;/a&gt;

A brief bit of digging found that the example she uses in her lede (and returns to at the conclusion) is in fact erroneous -- her experts are wrong and the web is right...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I didn&#8217;t read the Newsweek article, but I have noticed the recent explosion of &#8220;return of the expert&#8221; stories around, coinciding with Keen&#8217;s promotional work. </p>
<p>You might be interested in my deconstruction of another recent Keen-inspired piece &#8212; the Hesse WaPo article from last week:</p>
<p><a href="http://mikecaulfield.com/2008/05/07/if-the-wapo-calls-a-tail-a-leg/" rel="nofollow">http://mikecaulfield.com/2008/05/07/if-the-wapo-calls-a-tail-a-leg/</a></p>
<p>A brief bit of digging found that the example she uses in her lede (and returns to at the conclusion) is in fact erroneous &#8212; her experts are wrong and the web is right&#8230;
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		<title>by: pitg</title>
		<link>http://www.thepomoblog.com/archive/newsweek-advances-andrew-keens-ignorance/#comment-152206</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&#62;Terry Says:
&#62;What’s wrong with my stylesheet? ...

Hi Terry,
The comment pages don't wrap properly when I'm using Safari on a Mac. The comment text spills off the page to the right so I have to widen the browser window and scroll to read comments. That could be what bugged andy, too.

I enjoy reading your posts, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Terry Says:<br />
&gt;What’s wrong with my stylesheet? &#8230;</p>
<p>Hi Terry,<br />
The comment pages don&#8217;t wrap properly when I&#8217;m using Safari on a Mac. The comment text spills off the page to the right so I have to widen the browser window and scroll to read comments. That could be what bugged andy, too.</p>
<p>I enjoy reading your posts, thanks.
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		<title>by: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.thepomoblog.com/archive/newsweek-advances-andrew-keens-ignorance/#comment-151366</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thepomoblog.com/archive/newsweek-advances-andrew-keens-ignorance/#comment-151366</guid>
					<description>What's the current term..."reputation economy"?  In any case, user-generated content and "professionally-generated" content are treated by us, the "content consumers" (an ugly term but I couldn't think of anything better this morning) in exactly the same way.  If we like it, or we trust it, then we read, view, or listen to it. If not, we don't. To quote a certain big-eared Texan "it's just that simple".

Old media: some sitcoms were funny, even if other people thought they were crap, and they attracted viewers.  Cronkite became a trusted news source and CBS News had great ratings.

New media: some YouTube clips become very popular, even though "production values" are low. Some bloggers become very popular because they're entertaining, or because people feel they can trust their information.

Note that in neither case does it really matter whether the people producing the content are getting paid for it, or are recognized "experts" in some field.  

Popularity is all that matters to advertisers, usually, and that does not depend upon who produces the content.

As for an advertiser's association with the content: at one time, boycotting advertisers worked because advertising was the lifeblood for a television production, or a newspaper.  Losing a sponsor might mean that there was no money to produce content, which at the time was an expensive proposition.

That is no longer true.

It's a false assumption.  When I can put my content up for free, I don't have to have advertising revenue to support it, and advertising dollars do not have leverage over content producers like they once had. Removing that leverage makes it less likely that people will worry about whether an advertiser's ad is on a site they don't like.

There's another small factor in the removal of advertising as leverage, which may need to be studied, it's just a hunch on my part.   To most browsers on the Web, the ads are kind of like background noise and they seem chosen almost at random - people are so desperate to monetize some sites that the ads have nothing to do with the content of the site. This perception of randomness, for me, means that I don't blame the choice of ad on the site owner, for I feel like they didn't actually get to choose the ad anyway.  I know this is just perception, and that many people _do_ exercise some control over their ads, but it's the way it feels to me. Like I said, a hunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the current term&#8230;&#8221;reputation economy&#8221;?  In any case, user-generated content and &#8220;professionally-generated&#8221; content are treated by us, the &#8220;content consumers&#8221; (an ugly term but I couldn&#8217;t think of anything better this morning) in exactly the same way.  If we like it, or we trust it, then we read, view, or listen to it. If not, we don&#8217;t. To quote a certain big-eared Texan &#8220;it&#8217;s just that simple&#8221;.</p>
<p>Old media: some sitcoms were funny, even if other people thought they were crap, and they attracted viewers.  Cronkite became a trusted news source and CBS News had great ratings.</p>
<p>New media: some YouTube clips become very popular, even though &#8220;production values&#8221; are low. Some bloggers become very popular because they&#8217;re entertaining, or because people feel they can trust their information.</p>
<p>Note that in neither case does it really matter whether the people producing the content are getting paid for it, or are recognized &#8220;experts&#8221; in some field.  </p>
<p>Popularity is all that matters to advertisers, usually, and that does not depend upon who produces the content.</p>
<p>As for an advertiser&#8217;s association with the content: at one time, boycotting advertisers worked because advertising was the lifeblood for a television production, or a newspaper.  Losing a sponsor might mean that there was no money to produce content, which at the time was an expensive proposition.</p>
<p>That is no longer true.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a false assumption.  When I can put my content up for free, I don&#8217;t have to have advertising revenue to support it, and advertising dollars do not have leverage over content producers like they once had. Removing that leverage makes it less likely that people will worry about whether an advertiser&#8217;s ad is on a site they don&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s another small factor in the removal of advertising as leverage, which may need to be studied, it&#8217;s just a hunch on my part.   To most browsers on the Web, the ads are kind of like background noise and they seem chosen almost at random - people are so desperate to monetize some sites that the ads have nothing to do with the content of the site. This perception of randomness, for me, means that I don&#8217;t blame the choice of ad on the site owner, for I feel like they didn&#8217;t actually get to choose the ad anyway.  I know this is just perception, and that many people _do_ exercise some control over their ads, but it&#8217;s the way it feels to me. Like I said, a hunch.
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		<title>by: Random Acts of Linkage #52 : Subversive Influence</title>
		<link>http://www.thepomoblog.com/archive/newsweek-advances-andrew-keens-ignorance/#comment-151341</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 13:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] I&#8217;m not fond of Andrew Keen&#8217;s thesis that the &#8220;amateur&#8221; is ruining the Internet. I quite disagree; Terry Heaton explains. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I&#8217;m not fond of Andrew Keen&#8217;s thesis that the &#8220;amateur&#8221; is ruining the Internet. I quite disagree; Terry Heaton explains. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Laser Haas</title>
		<link>http://www.thepomoblog.com/archive/newsweek-advances-andrew-keens-ignorance/#comment-150097</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My company, CLI, was the court approved liquidation consultant in eToys.
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We have found proof of the fleecing of the public entity of eToys.
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The company was closed and stolen by a plan, well designed and the story is about to break in the news.
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Any questions please look at my website or contact me at laserhaas@msn.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My company, CLI, was the court approved liquidation consultant in eToys.<br />
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We have found proof of the fleecing of the public entity of eToys.<br />
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The company was closed and stolen by a plan, well designed and the story is about to break in the news.<br />
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Any questions please look at my website or contact me at <a href="mailto:laserhaas@msn.com">laserhaas@msn.com</a>
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		<title>by: Newsweek Ruffles Feathers &#171; MyMediaMusings</title>
		<link>http://www.thepomoblog.com/archive/newsweek-advances-andrew-keens-ignorance/#comment-150095</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] PoMo: I’ve had a few days to calm down after reading Newsweek’s “Web Exclusive” this week — Revenge of the Experts — so I think it’s safe to comment now. Newsweek has done what many of us feared, they’ve picked up Andrew Keen’s meme about the “cult of the amateur” and manufactured a new lede without taking into consideration the fallacy of the meme in the first place. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] PoMo: I’ve had a few days to calm down after reading Newsweek’s “Web Exclusive” this week — Revenge of the Experts — so I think it’s safe to comment now. Newsweek has done what many of us feared, they’ve picked up Andrew Keen’s meme about the “cult of the amateur” and manufactured a new lede without taking into consideration the fallacy of the meme in the first place. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Terry</title>
		<link>http://www.thepomoblog.com/archive/newsweek-advances-andrew-keens-ignorance/#comment-150085</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Andy, 

What's wrong with my stylesheet? (I used to have a dog named "shit for brains." We called him "SB.") 

Thanks,

SB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, </p>
<p>What&#8217;s wrong with my stylesheet? (I used to have a dog named &#8220;shit for brains.&#8221; We called him &#8220;SB.&#8221;) </p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
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		<title>by: Terry</title>
		<link>http://www.thepomoblog.com/archive/newsweek-advances-andrew-keens-ignorance/#comment-150081</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 14:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thepomoblog.com/archive/newsweek-advances-andrew-keens-ignorance/#comment-150081</guid>
					<description>Martin, I appreciate your note, but the point of my post is to state that Newsweek is advancing the meme that Andrew Keen birthed. There has never been a "web 2.0 democracy," so why is there a need to debunk it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin, I appreciate your note, but the point of my post is to state that Newsweek is advancing the meme that Andrew Keen birthed. There has never been a &#8220;web 2.0 democracy,&#8221; so why is there a need to debunk it?
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		<title>by: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.thepomoblog.com/archive/newsweek-advances-andrew-keens-ignorance/#comment-150070</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 11:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I read your review as a critique on Keen's book, rather than on the Newsweek's article. While you make some good points against Keen's thesis, I don't think the Newsweek article brings the same message as Keen's (note: there is only one short quote from Keen in the Newsweek article). Although related, I think the Newsweek article makes a point to debunk the myth of the web 2.0 democracy. Indeed, if there is only 1% of Wikipedia users doing most of the edits, a few designated users at Digg choosing what makes the front page, and a selected few who takes care of the moderation at Slashdot, that is not exactly supporting the premisses of a participative web 2.0 democracy. The message I get from the author is that the "experts" (a very loaded term, which I would change for "editorial committee") are still required in order to have quality content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read your review as a critique on Keen&#8217;s book, rather than on the Newsweek&#8217;s article. While you make some good points against Keen&#8217;s thesis, I don&#8217;t think the Newsweek article brings the same message as Keen&#8217;s (note: there is only one short quote from Keen in the Newsweek article). Although related, I think the Newsweek article makes a point to debunk the myth of the web 2.0 democracy. Indeed, if there is only 1% of Wikipedia users doing most of the edits, a few designated users at Digg choosing what makes the front page, and a selected few who takes care of the moderation at Slashdot, that is not exactly supporting the premisses of a participative web 2.0 democracy. The message I get from the author is that the &#8220;experts&#8221; (a very loaded term, which I would change for &#8220;editorial committee&#8221;) are still required in order to have quality content.
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		<title>by: andy</title>
		<link>http://www.thepomoblog.com/archive/newsweek-advances-andrew-keens-ignorance/#comment-150019</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 05:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>fix your stylesheet shit for brains</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fix your stylesheet shit for brains
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